SG-1 S10 Casting Spoiler Update...

[eregyrn]

Thanks to both paian and katie_m for pointing to this (do not click if you are avoiding spoilers for S10 -- even the link text is a spoiler, that's why it's beneath the cut!) -- what seems to be more info on additional Casting Spoiler appearences in S10.



Well, there's been much speculation as to what RDA's second SG-1 episode would be. Apparently...

http://www.gateworld.net/news/2006/07/andersontoappearintheshrou.shtml


"In a new interview with TV Guide, SG-1 co-star Amanda Tapping revealed that, in Anderson's second appearance, "Something happens to Daniel. That's all I can tell you. Otherwise, I'd have to shoot you." "

So this very much sounds, as Gateworld notes, like it's either "The Shroud" (in which the team finds out - SHOCKINGLY! - that Daniel has become a Prior), or else perhaps a follow-up ep to that one. I include the last as a possibility because to the best of my knowledge, we do not know yet whether Daniel's "condition" will be discovered and resolved within the same ep, or whether it will arc over several eps. Therefore, that would make it possible, I think, to have Jack in a follow-up ep -- for example, if The Shroud is about going and discovering Daniel, but subsequent eps are required to get him back to Earth and de-Priored, possibly that's where Jack comes in. Who knows?

I love this idea. I think a bunch of people mentioned it hopefully back when we found out the spoilers about Daniel becoming a Prior. So all of my remaining fingers and toes are crossed that if this is so (and it sounds like it probably is), that Jack's involvement will be BIG and MEATY and a major part of saving Daniel (rather than, I dunno, some cameo in which Jack is in the Pentagon taking a phonecall to keep him apprised).

*hope hope hope*

Comments

[katie-m.livejournal.com]

Ha! We both just lunged at you, huh? Man, I was trying to be basically good about spoilers this year, too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not holding my breath for anything really good, but... I'm hopeful. I mean, when they had MS come back in S6, it was for meaty, emotional stuff, and admittedly MS and RDA left in different ways, but... well. Hopeful. After all, Daniel came back for Jack in Abyss...

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

In replies to comments to two completely different posts, too! :)

Yes, yes, exactly. Poor show. Abyss set the bar really super-high.

But that's pretty much all I want. For Jack to be present in the stories about fixing this Daniel-crisis as significantly as Daniel was present during Jack's crisis in Abyss.

That's "all" I want. ;-)

I sort of consider myself a realistic optimist, though. Now that I know the parameters, I'm hopeful about where they could be heading. But part of my has to stay wary about having expectations that are too high; they could still do it in tons of ways that would disappoint me.

I swear to god, though, PTB: don't screw this up, and give me the S10 equivalent of Abyss, and I will never ever ask for anything ever again. Ever. Promise.

(But hey -- BW wrote Abyss. And he still... exists. He's still around. So if they get him to write the script for this ep, well heck, that'd be a good start right there.)

[katie-m.livejournal.com]

I swear to god, though, PTB: don't screw this up, and give me the S10 equivalent of Abyss, and I will never ever ask for anything ever again. Ever. Promise.

Me too.

(We are Big Liars.)

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

Shh! They don't know that.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I'm hoping his second appearance has to do with Daniel. I've been hoping this from the start.

Back in S6, we had Abyss, which is one of my all time fave episodes for Jack and Daniel. Why? The pure emotion in that episode. I think it was one of the finiest moments for both actors. They really gave it their all. They sold me on how much emotion was between them. And I'm not talking in a slashy way. I just mean in general. It's what I expect in quality from those two.

I'm not saying we'll ever see that again, but if RDA is either involved in this episode of Daniel as Prior or a follow-up (which is my guess if they make this an arc), then we have the chance of seeing Jack in a meaty role. I want to see Jack in a role that really showcases his strengths. And one way to do that is to show him in an area where he shines -- his devotion and love for any one of his former teammates.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

*nods* It does seem from the way it is reported and from what AT said that this second appearence absolutely is related to the something-happening-to-Daniel... or I don't think she would have responded that to the question.

It's just that within that, I guess, there are so many ways Jack's involvement could be played. So my fingers are still crossed and I'm still hoping hard.

You're absolutely right -- Jack's bedrock strengths of loyalty and love and concern for his teammates, but esp. for Daniel, make his involvement in fixing Daniel's condition a no-brainer. If this is indeed what they intend (and oh god, I hope so!), then we are all hugely fortunate that the Daniel-becomes-a-Prior storyline happened to coincide with RDA being willing to come back for a handful of eps. Because it sounds to me like they would have been doing the Prior!Daniel storyline no matter what, and RDA popping up to be involved may be lagniappe -- in which case, please please oh PLEASE, guys, work him in really, REALLY well! PLEASE!

And -- precisely. Abyss was just so, so strong, whether you see slash between the two characters or not. Because when the chips are down and they are both into it, RDA and MS have this awesome working relationship.

How fitting it would be for the show to bookend Abyss with an equally-strong reversal of Jack being there to help save Daniel.

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

You know what's sad though? I'm bursting with excitement. Having RDA somehow connected to this storyline is a Jack and Daniel fangirl's dream (whether slahy or not). And even though I agree with you that this storyline seemed to be a go way way long ago, it's just something that Jack would come back for. How can he not? I think we're very lucky.

But I'm afraid. I'm afraid that they'll bring RDA back and have him do nothing. I'm afraid that if he does link into this storyline it will be a brush off and he won't be involved much. I'm afraid they'll just have him have a scene with Landry or something. I'm afraid it will end up a big joke or about ship or something.

After all the disappointments we've suffered, it's hard to be hopeful. I've wanted an RDA guest stop that would have the powerful impact of Abyss for so long now.

It's just perfect to showcase the kind of friend and hero Jack is. Him and his old team working to help Daniel. That is what I am hoping against hope for.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm pretty much there with you. I'm having those same fears/worries. And those same hopes.

I hope, I hope like crazy, that since they do seem to have decided to use RDA's second ep to connect him to this storyline at all, that those who made that decision have Abyss in mind, and want to reach for something like that. I think they can do it, if all of them are on that page.

[destina.livejournal.com]

OMG, IT IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

*cough* I'm sorry for shouting; I appear to be a bit excited. *g* But I know I am doomed to disappointment. *sigh

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

I KNOW! I KNOW! :D

You're right, I can't shake that feeling, either. I'm soooooo hopeful... and yet also tense because it could so easily be crushed.

And it's from the second half of the season, no less. So if other annoying rumors prove to be true, we will have to wait until MARCH 2007 to see it... :P

(On the bright side -- a comment at Gateworld makes it sound like the Shroud ep will be from "early in the second half", not close to the season's end. Which I hope to hell means that we will not have to deal with something utterly maddening, like Daniel being left as a Prior being a season-ending cliffhanger or something dumb like that. I could see them spinning this out for a couple of eps. But not *that* many. *hope*)

I guess that, long before then, more spoilers about it will come out, so we can be braced for it if we're so inclined as to look at them. (I know *I* won't be able to keep from looking. I never am.)

I hope you're continuing to survive the horrid heat thing out there. I watch the Weather Channel and I think of you.

[taselby.livejournal.com]

I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE

EEEEeeeeEEEEe!!!

*breathes into bag*
*crosses fingers*
*OMG* I HOPE THEY DON'T SCREW THIS UP.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

As I have said to others, to quote Hammond, "From your mouth to god's ears". :)

*hope hope hope hope hope*

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I have more thoughts.

MS is out for eps (I think) 13 and 14. I am hoping RDA is not appearing in one of those eps. I'd like them all to be in the same ep.

I have imagined a few scenarios:

But if The Shroud happens early on in the season, we could either have that episode, the two episodes where Daniel is gone, and then the followup with Jack coming in to try to save him. That would seem to fit into the "controversial story-arc" bit.

Or, we could have RDA appear in The Shroud and Daniel is taken back to the SGC. He recovers offscreen for two episodes.

We could have Daniel taken back in The Shroud. He recovers off-screen, and RDA appears in the follow-up.

RDA could appear in one of the episodes that MS is not in, joining in a search for Daniel. Or, if Daniel is already found and off somewhere, Jack could be doing something else.

None of the above may happen.

I would be most interested in the first scenario because it makes the most sense to me. But then again, what do I know?

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

*nods* Yes, I've been thinking about that too. Working MS's absences into this storyline would make sense in some ways. Do we even officially know what ep # The Shroud is going to be? Could it be that the eps he missed will be 2 eps right *before* that one, and that Daniel is actually "missing" from the SGC's viewpoint, and then in the Shroud they find him and find out why? Hmm.

I would... strongly prefer it if they didn't use Jack in one of the eps in which they're merely searching/worrying. I could see a certain logic to that, I suppose (if MS is taking off eps, what better way to minimize his absence than to utilize RDA in on one of them), but to me it would be fairly unsatisfying even if Jack's presence in the ep was in service of worrying about/trying to find Daniel.

I'd strongly prefer it, of course, if Jack were used in the ep where Daniel is found/cured, and if Jack is a significant contributor to that.

We'll just see whether we all get our wish, though...

(I expect that we will find out more after they shoot the ep, and that no matter what, we'll be able to brace ourselves for it.)

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

Once we find out the episode placements, it will be easier to fit this together. All I know is that MS believes he's not in eps 3 and 4, and 13 and 15. But I don't know if that is airing order or how they were filmed.

Since the Shroud is so early, as I have heard, I was assuming it would be before the two eps he is gone. But it is quite possible it will be after.

I'm trying hard not to spoil myself about specifics, but I had already accidentally found out about Daniel as Prior. I'm not finishing for any more info on that episode, but it makes it hard because I want to know what episode RDA is in ;)

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

Yeah... that's a little puzzling, because tonight is 10.03, and Daniel is DEFINITELY in it -- I'm quite sure I saw him in the promos and in some promo pics we got for this ep! So, hmm...

13 and 15? Not 13-14? Even stranger... I guess it would make sense if 14 was Shroud, then. Though it might suggest to me that they're going to discover the problem and fix it within the same ep.

(As I was commenting to someone else -- that's possible. I would have thought an arc would make sense for such a big-deal thing; but then, you know, they snaked Sam and fixed her in one ep. I guess I have, again, been thinking of this more in parallel with Abyss, where Jack is made sick one ep, is absent from the next, and is further imperilled, then fixed, in the following ep.)

I sometimes avoid spoilers, but most of the time, I simply cannot help myself. :)

To be honest... I have actually successfully avoided most specific spoilers for S10, when they don't involve Jack. It's when it involves Jack that I can't help from looking!

(That said, having now been spoiled in a broad way for "200", I've been trying to avoid any *more* because I'd like to be surprised by *some* part of it.)

[moonshayde.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry. It's been a long week. I am mistyping. Ignore me. Lock me up.

I meant to type eps 4 and 5. And eps 13 and 14.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

Heh! Okay, 4 and 5 totally make more sense to me, looking at Gateworld. Thoguh how his absence is explained will be interesting... but I can see a very easy way to explain it, as a way to end tonight's ep. Will be interesting if that is indeed the plot device that they use.

I guess we'll just see, with respect to the back half of the season. So much of it is unknown right now.

[surreallis.livejournal.com]

Ooh! I like this. Serious Jack, not AU or comedy Jack, which is what I think we'll be getting in ep 200. (Which, don't get me wrong, I love that Jack too.) And while I know you all are really excited about the J/D possibilities (and I am too, honestly), this could be a beautiful team thing too. A throwback to the days when the team cared so much for each other. Maybe they all band together to save Daniel. And we get the Jack we all love best... the Jack that loves his team and would do anything for them.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

As I was remarking to others -- whether or not you're looking at it from a slash perspective, or just a friendship perspective, Abyss is incredibly strong. And bookending it with this ep as a reversal of the roles of that one would be a totally cool thing to do. It *could*, if they do it right, indeed show case Jack and the *team* in such an incredibly strong way. In fact, yeah, my reaction to it isn't geared towards "... and Jack has to be involved, because he and Daniel are lovers!", but just, "Jack has to be involved because given the way Abyss went down, it's what's fitting".

As unevenly as they handled it sometimes, and as little actual information as we got regarding why Jack got promoted and reassigned to Washington (presumably *rolls eyes*), S8 *did* at least try to address the issue of how very close, possibly unprofessionally close, Jack was/is to His Team, and how that affects him. Jack's team is in jeopardy? Daniel is in jeopardy? You *BET* I expect Jack to be on the first plane to Colorado! Even better, I want to see Jack bull his way through the Gate and offworld to go after Daniel, if he has to. It's just... fitting.

Yet it also raises interesting questions. The show really did fumble Jack's departure. We don't really know why/how. It's difficult to anticipate how his participation will affect the "reality" of the show, in "200", given the likely high wackiness quotient of that ep. So... new team, new SGC leadership... but if Jack comes roaring back to help deal with this, then how does that impact Landry, or especially Mitchell? On the one hand, having The Team + Jack all have to band together into an uber-team in order to save Daniel could be so, so satisfying. On the other hand, it has some interesting ramifications for various members, depending on how it is brought about.

*crosses fingers* for something good and meaty and interesting!

[jenlev.livejournal.com]

thank you for the link. and the action figures arrived just now...have posted some action figure theatre: jack and daniel pack for vacation.....

and i love your thoughts about jack's involvement in the daniel situation. you make a lot of sense.

::::also hoping::::

[rednikki.livejournal.com]

I hate to be the voice of something other than hope, here, but I think the reason Abyss was written as such a meaty episode was because MS was complaining he didn't have much meat to play in S5. Whereas that has never been one of RDA's desires, AFAICT.

[cofax7]

::sobs::

::holds thumbs::

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

... holds *thumbs*???

[cofax7]

It's an Eastern European thing, I'm told. Like crossing your fingers.

[eregyrn.livejournal.com]

Fair point. Although, I had never really heard that, about Abyss -- where'd you hear it? But you're right that I doubt that RDA has been telling the show's writers much about what he "wants" out of the eps he's been agreeing to do. It sort of sounds like his wants extend to "sure, I'd like to come back, and do some stuff".

But the thing is that it doesn't require RDA begging them for serious, weighty, meaty stuff for Jack, in order for someone on the writing staff to have the revelation that working Jack into a storyline where Daniel is "lost" (in the way that it sounds like he will be) is similar to something they have done before (i.e. Abyss); indeed, the same person who wrote that ep is still on the staff (and we know from other stuff that on occasion, they *do* remember what they've done before). We also know that however Abyss came about, they were proud of the results. They're capable, in other words, of striving for that, without prompting from the actors.

... Of course, they're also capable of being morons, so... Did I say I would put *money* on it? ;-) Nope. I'm hoping, not expecting; I'm also bracing...