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Two and three? Well, that's grumpy-making. Unless they're sending him to Atlantis with Daniel! That would be okay. Or with Sam, for that matter; I'd prefer Daniel, but at least some other SG-1 content would scratch my itch at least.

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Erm, at least. I am a Bear of Very Little Brain this weekend, I'm afraid.

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Yeah. I'm not actually up on the specifics of AT's and MS's time on SG-1 in S10 to speculate knowledgeably. The last I heard... um... I think that AT *was* going to definitely do some SGA eps? More than one? And we know for sure that MS is not doing all 20 eps of SG-1's S10? But I haven't heard if that means he just gets four eps "off"... or, there was some speculation that Daniel's absence from SG-1 might be explained by a trip to Atlantis at last? But I think that last is utter speculation. Still, that'd be keen.

I actually find it incredibly hard to imagine Jack on Atlantis *without* at least one of the rest of SG-1 -- well, pretty much either Daniel or Sam. Whereas I can imagine Sam or Daniel by themselves on Atlantis. But Jack? Not really. And yet, even that could be kind of interesting... because to be honest, there were SG-1 eps in the past where Jack went off on his own, and interacted with people away from his team, and I always did like those eps fine. (I am thinking here of SoG, Chain Reaction, 48 Hours, Paradise Lost... hmm, I see this common Maybourne thread, though...)

But yes, I pretty much agree -- I don't mind SGA getting more of him and SG-1 getting less, actually. (I'm... uncharmed enough by the Orii storyline that I don't mind *not* seeing him participate in that.) In fact... I sort of would *have* to assume that if he went to SGA he'd be acting in the capacity of general, and I can imagine a lot of quite interesting stuff coming out of seeing Jack away from the SGC but functioning as a general, that I'd like to see how they make use of him. But -- I'd prefer him to be interacting with at least some of SG-1. (Jack *and* Daniel *and* Sam on Atlantis = even more dandy.)

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In fact... I sort of would *have* to assume that if he went to SGA he'd be acting in the capacity of general, and I can imagine a lot of quite interesting stuff coming out of seeing Jack away from the SGC but functioning as a general, that I'd like to see how they make use of him.

I know there's no way they'd do it, because they seem to think Weir is doing a fine job, but I'd love to see Jack go all the way there to chew her out but good for being incompetent. That would make my year.

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Oh, jesus, YES. Then he can also kick John's ass for being such a putz. I would send a $100 bribe to Bridge Studios for this.

Won't happen of course.

Man, don't even get me started on all the things I'd *like* to see Jack do on Atlantis. Some of which have been covered in fanfics like

ltlj's and

icarusancalion's, etc. And some of which come from my own little head. (Like, I'd send an *extra* $100 as a bribe to let Jack go out in the field and kick some ass, old-school, in the Pegasus galaxy.)

I don't know what they're actually going to *do*. Almost inevitably, I guess, it'll be a disappointment in comparison to what we can dream up. But oh, those dreams...

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Then he can also kick John's ass for being such a putz.

YES. And Beckett's, while we're at it, for thinking medical experimentation, even on a wraith, was ethically okay.

I would send a $100 bribe to Bridge Studios for this.

Maybe if we took up a collection within fandom?

Almost inevitably, I guess, it'll be a disappointment in comparison to what we can dream up. But oh, those dreams...

The only thing I'm really, seriously terrified TPTB will do eventually is make Jack and Sam a couple. I mean, I'd rather not see Jack at all than have that happen. And it's not that I'm anti-Sam, because I love Sam. But... god, what a cliche, hooking up with your boss (or ex-boss). Ick.

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Yes, kicking Beckett's ass for that would be nice, too. Although broadly speaking, medical ethics isn't Jack's area of experience. Not as such. Now, *Daniel* I would like to see kick Beckett's ass, or maybe Sam -- they would at least be closer, in the sense of being able to address ethical research techniques. Whereas Jack's area is leadership, and both John and Weir need a talking-to in that regard.

While I agree with you about not really wanting to see the show finally absolutely actualize S/J, I've been *braced* for that for years, so I just can't work up a lather over it at this point. I have some hope that they won't do it unless Jack actually retires from the USAF, which is something, I guess.

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Although broadly speaking, medical ethics isn't Jack's area of experience. Not as such.

No, but he's better at chewing people out. *g*

I've been *braced* for that for years, so I just can't work up a lather over it at this point.

Same here. Still braced at the mere mention of Jack, but not exactly in a lather. It would just be a gargantuan disappointment if, after all these years, they made it happen, you know?

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What it comes down to for me, really, is that it will irk me *more* if they do it now after all these years, than it would have irked me had they done it at the end of S5, say. (Had that been the last season, which of course it turned out not to be.)

I *do* like Sam, and I didn't even mind *some* of the exploration of the S/J idea, although I always had objections to it from a storytelling perspective and would rather they not have gone there at all. But, for example, I do see some chemistry between them and so on; I read quite a bit of shipfic when I first got into the fandom and there are still ship writers whose work I admired/enjoyed.

However, over time, the storytelling objections that I had to it just came to be more important to me. Plus, I developed this feeling that S4/S5 was really The Moment, when it came to the 'ship, and the further you get from That Moment, the more it has Passed. That was the vibe I got from later in the series -- the 'ship, as it were, had sailed. The Moment was gone and couldn't be recaptured. Continuing to string it along just made it look... less and less healthy. etc.

So that's why I'd be more irked if they finally actualized it *now*, because to me, it ceased to be a compelling and believable possibility a while ago, and now it would just be kind of pathetic, rather than the satisfying culmination of a long-simmering star-crossed romance.

But that's just me. ;-)

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So that's why I'd be more irked if they finally actualized it *now*, because to me, it ceased to be a compelling and believable possibility a while ago, and now it would just be kind of pathetic, rather than the satisfying culmination of a long-simmering star-crossed romance.

That's the way I feel, too. The moment's long gone, and even back then, they more or less chickened out/backed off of the idea. Now, it would be nothing but pandering.

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I feel the same way. It feels too late for S/J now to me too, and at first I just thought that it was because I "discovered" slash and now am all about J/D, but in thinking it over I believe it *is* because as you say, the moment has passed in the storyline.

I also like Sam, and truthfully I came to SG1 a little late, about season 7, and the reruns of the S/J eps were one of the things that drew me in and made me like Jack, and the show. At that time, in just discovering that whole arc, I reaaally wanted them to get together. Now, not so much.

Actually this reminds me of the way I felt about the X-Files. By the end of the series I was actually kinda mad they finally got together because my feeling was, dammit, why couldn't they have done this back when it still had legs and would've been compelling? To me it just kind of whimpered out. I want to see a nice, comfy wrap-up to Jack but I hope they write it well, and don't let it end with that kind of feeling. And please, please, a better final J/D scene than the last one.

By the way, I came over from reading raqs' lj, and have been reading from her links, so I hope you don't mind me posting, as I'm new to the neighborhood. :)

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I actually find it incredibly hard to imagine Jack on Atlantis *without* at least one of the rest of SG-1 -- well, pretty much either Daniel or Sam.

And, of course, "Atlantis episode" doesn't necessarily mean "goes to Pegasus." Could be Earth-based, or hallucination, or flashback, or whatever. (But really I want Jack to get to go to Atlantis. 'Cause I'll bet he misses going offworld.)

(Jack *and* Daniel *and* Sam on Atlantis = even more dandy.)

On the other hand, you send them all--for more than a very brief overlap--and it's an SG-1 episode, you know? Which seems unfair to SGA.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what they do with it.

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Well... and now we know more about at least some of Jack's participation in SGA. (Have you seen/heard those further details? Do you want to know?) Though you're right... I hadn't thought about the ways in which it might be the SGA folks going back to Earth rather than the other way around.

I see what you mean about how putting too many of the SG-1 folks on Atlantis at once does potentially overwhelm SGA... though off the bat, I can think of ways to do it (splitting up the SG-1 folks once they're there, mostly). But then that wouldn't give us the SG-1 interaction we're sort of craving, so... six of one...

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Erm... I think I'm gonna avoid more details for now. Unless "Jack and Sam go on their honeymoon" is involved in any way, in which case I totally want to be prepared.

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Well, from everything I have heard so far, we're still safe on that front. Although I will remain suspicious until seeing the actual eps, because you never know what boneheaded throwaway lines they could toss in...

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I just know I'm going to spend the entire time braced. (This is me rolling my eyes at myself. Sigh.)

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Unless they're sending him to Atlantis with Daniel! That would be okay. -- That was my reaction too.

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Oh, IF ONLY. Or if he went there to *fetch* Daniel. Say, like, in that story which exists in my head, where Daniel sneaks off to Atlantis and Jack goes after him, heh. But we do know Daniel is supposed to be going to Atlantis at some point, this season. *hopeful look*

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We're all setting ourselves up for *such* disappointment, aren't we? Well, I guess, perhaps not... it could happen.

You're right. I'd forgotten that we *did* hear that Daniel was going to get to go to Atlantis. Now I'm actually all hopeful again...

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Hee. I was all pout... hey, wait! I have a brilliant idea!

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paian

It was a brilliant idea! *g* Not much hope of it now, though, but still brilliant. ::sighs::

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I'm already ticked at 3 for SGa and 2 for SG-1. Since one of those 2 is the 200th epsode

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I do hope it bodes good things. It could in fact be quite interesting. *nods*

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Just reading over this, I realize that what I replied to you last night wasn't all that coherent -- what I mean is, I'm trying like hell to look on the bright side of getting so little Jack on SG-1. (And I agree with you, him being on "200" is really a wash -- I'm one of those who was never all that fond of "Wormhole X-Treme" in the first place, although I can stand it; but it's not my favorite type of humor.)

Remembering that both Daniel and Sam are supposed to be going to Atlantis in S10 makes me *hope*, anyway, that putting Jack on Atlantis means hooking him up with those storylines, which has a potential (at least) to be satisfying to me. Just as, I had my worried about how he'd be used on SG-1, even if at the same time there are certainly things I'd like to see him doing on SG-1 (and not played for farce, such as on "200"). That's why I say... I'm not really sure what to think about it.

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huh, i guess they finally got permission to have the original characters in a spin off? er, meaning i'd heard that the jack and daniel characters weren't allowed on sg1 due to some contracting issue with the maker of the original movie. not sure though.

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I thought the deal was that Jack and Daniel were the only SG-1 characters who *COULD* be on SGA? Or some damn thing? Ugh, now I'm all confused. Because J&D *have* been on SGA already of course -- the pilot ep. I just thought I remember hearing at the time that it was those two because of some contractual thing.

But they have to have worked out all the problems, since Sam was on SGA this season. *shrug* So, I dunno.

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I was going to say, yeah, of the original SG-1 team, only Teal'c hasn't been on SGA. I would've thought the only characters that would be a problem were Jack and Daniel, the carryovers from the original movie.

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Yeah, though I do wonder if the fact that it was Rodney's imaginary version of Sam makes that count differently somehow? :)

I don't know. I really wish I could remember where the hell I read or perhaps heard some comment about why it was okay to use Jack and Daniel in SGA's pilot, but it wasn't okay to use Sam and Teal'c. There *was* a reason... but I don't precisely remember what it was or who was talking about it or where. Aargh.

Especially because it's not really intuitive, is it? I mean, isn't it the same people making both shows? Why would it matter?

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Especially because it's not really intuitive, is it? I mean, isn't it the same people making both shows? Why would it matter?

I can't make heads or tails of it, myself. Like I said, the only thing that ever made any sense to me was that the characters Daniel Jackson and Jack O'Neill were somehow copyrighted differently because they came from the movie, which would account for the inconsistency of where the books can and can't be sold, and by whom, vs. the SGA books.

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Ah, now THAT... actually, I had understood that the problem with the Fandemonium SG-1 books being sold in the US, as opposed to the Fandy SGA books, didn't have to do with the movie. But rather, had to do with the fact that MGM or whoever-the-hell had authorized/licensed a previous series of tie-in novels in the mid-late 90s (by Ashley McConnell, I believe the author is), published by Roc. And that although that series got dropped, the rights to publish tie-in novels for SG-1 must still be held by Roc and for some reason they're not letting them go even though they apparently do not have intentions of reviving the series themselves, either with that author or any other? So because they own the rights in the US, Fandy can't sell their novels in the US?

That's what I had understood to be the case. I don't know the whys behind any of that, mind you. (Why can't MGM... I don't know, get the rights back somehow, especially if Roc has decided years ago not to continue the series? etc.) I'm not even 100% sure that this is what's the problem.

(My perception was that the movie rights to those characters don't actually interfere much with SG-1, because MGM owned the rights, not the creators. Which is how it was that MGM was able to assign the rights to those characters to Glassner and Wright when they came up wanting to do SG-1, even over the objections of Roland and Emmerich, who had harbored vague hopes of a film sequel to their movie.)

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